From owner-sage-members@usenix.org Fri Jan 21 13:58:15 2005 Received: from usenix.org (voyager.usenix.org [131.106.3.1]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0LLwD6e004391 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:58:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LLvMn3008602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:57:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with SMTP id j0LLvLBK008598; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:57:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by voyager.usenix.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:55:40 -0800 Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LLtcn3008299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:55:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j0LLtbEY008298 for sage-members-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:55:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from eldwist.darkuncle.net (root@eldwist.darkuncle.net [66.33.218.20]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LLtZn3008279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from eldwist.darkuncle.net (sfrancis@localhost.darkuncle.net [127.0.0.1]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0LLtgDJ004085 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sfrancis@localhost) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j0LLtgFg018757 for sage-members@sage.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:55:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:55:41 -0800 From: Scott Francis To: sage-members@sage.org Subject: [SAGE] cabinet vendor recommendations Message-ID: <20050121215541.GY18856@darkuncle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Old-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: OpenBSD X-PGP-Fingerprint: 7429 F75D D3F5 FA45 C6D7 D25B 59A0 7B8C 5537 F527 X-PGP-Key: http://darkuncle.net/pubkey.asc X-PGP-Notice: encryption subkey 2048g/0CEFEA3C has been revoked - please use 2048R/18A88182 instead (available at above URL) X-What-Happen: Somebody set up us the bomb. Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk Content-Type: application/pgp; format=text; x-action=sign Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 909 Lines: 27 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm positive this has come up here before, but I can't seem to find it in my archives, so: which vendors are any of you using for cabinets/rackmount enclosures, and which are you happy with? I'm looking for something full-sized that locks, with good airflow and (optionally) fans installed to help keep things flowing. If you'd rather respond off-list, I will summarize later. thanks, - -- Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527 Less and less is done until non-action is achieved when nothing is done, nothing is left undone. -- the Tao of Sysadmin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (OpenBSD) iD8DBQFB8XpXWaB7jFU39ScRAiZUAJsHOHKj+CZKT/hJHG4iazkyC53JvACaAyjx 2rt/OtWbHWK/PoH10eGwVPg= =5Zve -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-sage-members@usenix.org Fri Jan 21 14:03:27 2005 Received: from usenix.org (voyager.usenix.org [131.106.3.1]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0LM3PuF026210 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:03:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LM2qn3009233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:02:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with SMTP id j0LM2pwP009230; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:02:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by voyager.usenix.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:00:59 -0800 Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LM0wn3008917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:00:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j0LM0wEV008916 for sage-members-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:00:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from eldwist.darkuncle.net (root@eldwist.darkuncle.net [66.33.218.20]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LM0un3008907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:00:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from eldwist.darkuncle.net (sfrancis@localhost.darkuncle.net [127.0.0.1]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0LM16QX002892 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:01:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sfrancis@localhost) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j0LM15pG014009 for sage-members@sage.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:01:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:01:05 -0800 From: Scott Francis To: sage-members@sage.org Subject: Re: [SAGE] cabinet vendor recommendations Message-ID: <20050121220105.GZ18856@darkuncle.net> References: <20050121215541.GY18856@darkuncle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Old-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050121215541.GY18856@darkuncle.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: OpenBSD X-PGP-Fingerprint: 7429 F75D D3F5 FA45 C6D7 D25B 59A0 7B8C 5537 F527 X-PGP-Key: http://darkuncle.net/pubkey.asc X-PGP-Notice: encryption subkey 2048g/0CEFEA3C has been revoked - please use 2048R/18A88182 instead (available at above URL) X-What-Happen: Somebody set up us the bomb. Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk Content-Type: application/pgp; format=text; x-action=sign Status: RO Content-Length: 1288 Lines: 33 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 01:55:41PM -0800, darkuncle@darkuncle.net said: > I'm positive this has come up here before, but I can't seem to find it in my > archives, so: > > which vendors are any of you using for cabinets/rackmount enclosures, and > which are you happy with? I'm looking for something full-sized that locks, > with good airflow and (optionally) fans installed to help keep things > flowing. > > If you'd rather respond off-list, I will summarize later. figures that the first post I've made in months would be done before reading the day's mail and noticing that I could merely have piggy-backed it on a similar existing thread. :) Chatsworth was the name I was trying to recall, but I'm still interested in any other recommendations. thanks folks, - -- Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527 Less and less is done until non-action is achieved when nothing is done, nothing is left undone. -- the Tao of Sysadmin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (OpenBSD) iD8DBQFB8XuRWaB7jFU39ScRAkzQAKDFzv+pZOUjgDSEIKtOwxWnd9vJmQCgmV2v Z0cxtpe0sidDKt62G0Z0RJ4= =Vf9B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-sage-members@usenix.org Fri Jan 21 15:36:14 2005 Received: from usenix.org (voyager.usenix.org [131.106.3.1]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0LNaBQD006400 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:36:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LNZcn3013528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:35:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with SMTP id j0LNZc44013527; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:35:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by voyager.usenix.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:33:51 -0800 Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LNXon3013178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j0LNXoSl013176 for sage-members-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.tradebeam.com (mail1.tradebeam.com [66.238.14.9]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LNXjn2013169 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:33:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by mail1.tradebeam.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:31:21 -0800 Received: from [10.128.2.11] ([10.128.2.11]) by mail1.tradebeam.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:31:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050121220105.GZ18856@darkuncle.net> References: <20050121215541.GY18856@darkuncle.net> <20050121220105.GZ18856@darkuncle.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Guy B. Purcell" Subject: Re: [SAGE] cabinet vendor recommendations Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:33:29 -0800 To: sage-members@sage.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-CTCH-ID: _5BE4CA78-47AB-4885-95DA-4699559347B6_ X-CTCH-RefID: 0 X-CTCH-Action: Ignore X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2005 23:31:20.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[503323E0:01C50011] Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 692 Lines: 18 On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 01:55:41PM -0800, darkuncle@darkuncle.net said: > which vendors are any of you using for cabinets/rackmount enclosures, > and > which are you happy with? I'm looking for something full-sized that > locks, > with good airflow and (optionally) fans installed to help keep things > flowing. The best cabinets I've ever worked with were from Rittal . They were rock solid--even when empty. The ones we had came with dual locking sealing doors, and a giant fan on the rear one to suck out the hot air. That setup worked well for the mid-1990s equipment we had in there; I'm sure they have mesh doors for today's hotter equipment. -Guy From owner-sage-members@usenix.org Mon Jan 24 11:59:50 2005 Received: from usenix.org (voyager.usenix.org [131.106.3.1]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0OJxkTO021432 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:59:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0OJrjn3000915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:53:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with SMTP id j0OJrgQx000913; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:53:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by voyager.usenix.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:45:23 -0800 Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0OJjMn3000394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:45:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j0OJjL0k000393 for sage-members-outgoing; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:45:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from cliff.niehs.nih.gov (cliff.niehs.nih.gov [157.98.192.45]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0OJjGn2000385 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:45:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from cliff.niehs.nih.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by cliff.niehs.nih.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/tx-1.16) with ESMTP id j0OJil71014784; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:44:48 -0500 Received: from splat.niehs.nih.gov (ip071023.niehs.nih.gov [157.98.71.23]) by cliff.niehs.nih.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/rx-1.12) with ESMTP id j0OJijLe014771; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:44:45 -0500 Received: from [157.98.71.23] (ip071023.niehs.nih.gov [157.98.71.23]) (authenticated bits=0) by splat.niehs.nih.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0OJiiQV021125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:44:44 -0500 Message-ID: <41F5502B.3070508@niehs.nih.gov> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:44:43 -0500 From: "Lance A. Brown" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Guy B. Purcell" CC: sage-members@sage.org Subject: Re: [SAGE] cabinet vendor recommendations References: <20050121215541.GY18856@darkuncle.net> <20050121220105.GZ18856@darkuncle.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 736 Lines: 19 Guy B. Purcell wrote: > The best cabinets I've ever worked with were from Rittal > . They were rock solid--even when empty. The > ones we had came with dual locking sealing doors, and a giant fan on the > rear one to suck out the hot air. That setup worked well for the > mid-1990s equipment we had in there; I'm sure they have mesh doors for > today's hotter equipment. We use Rittal racks here with square-hole rigging. Dell's Poweredge rack rails snap right in and work great. The racks themselves have mesh doors and are still rock solid. --[Lance] -- Lance A. Brown Contractor, SysAdmin Task of the LMIT ITSS Contract for National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences 919.361.5444x420 From michael@halligan.org Fri Jan 21 14:11:29 2005 Received: from mail3.bitpusher.com (support.bitpusher.com [64.127.99.30]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0LMBMOl004325 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:11:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail3.bitpusher.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A664B38B2; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail3.bitpusher.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06220-04; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:10:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail3.bitpusher.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail3.bitpusher.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7D91EDC; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:10:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from 66.150.251.135 (SquirrelMail authenticated user michael@halligan.org); by mail3.bitpusher.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:10:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <39004.66.150.251.135.1106345454.squirrel@mail3.bitpusher.com> In-Reply-To: <20050121215541.GY18856@darkuncle.net> References: <20050121215541.GY18856@darkuncle.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:10:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [SAGE] cabinet vendor recommendations From: "Michael T. Halligan" To: "Scott Francis" Cc: sage-members@sage.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at bitpusher.com Status: RO Content-Length: 1675 Lines: 53 Scott, I've been very happy with the cabinets from WrightLine lately. One of my customers spoiled me by letting me purchase 6 of their PARAM cabinets, which are 96" tall, 30" wide, and 40" deep. The base cabinet was $800.28, and the 19" rail kit (since they are actually 30" wide cabinets) were $426.82 .. These are 4-post cabinets, but they have equivalents with doors and walls. Having this much space is very nice, you can do a great job with clean cabling and with air-flow on them. We've got 200 dell servers, and even have space to use their cable-management arms (which was a first for me). Michael > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I'm positive this has come up here before, but I can't seem to find it in > my > archives, so: > > which vendors are any of you using for cabinets/rackmount enclosures, and > which are you happy with? I'm looking for something full-sized that locks, > with good airflow and (optionally) fans installed to help keep things > flowing. > > If you'd rather respond off-list, I will summarize later. > > thanks, > - -- > Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527 > Less and less is done > until non-action is achieved > when nothing is done, nothing is left undone. > -- the Tao of Sysadmin > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (OpenBSD) > > iD8DBQFB8XpXWaB7jFU39ScRAiZUAJsHOHKj+CZKT/hJHG4iazkyC53JvACaAyjx > 2rt/OtWbHWK/PoH10eGwVPg= > =5Zve > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ------------------- BitPusher, LLC http://www.bitpusher.com/ 1.888.9PUSHER (415) 724.7998 - Mobile From owner-sage-members@usenix.org Fri Jan 21 14:27:16 2005 Received: from usenix.org (voyager.usenix.org [131.106.3.1]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0LMQwjV007460 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:27:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LMIon3010485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:18:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with SMTP id j0LMInOg010480; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by voyager.usenix.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:16:56 -0800 Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LMGtn3010177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:16:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j0LMGtgi010176 for sage-members-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:16:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from wingfoot.org (caduceus.wingfoot.org [64.32.179.50]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LMGqn2010168 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:16:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE661F446D for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:16:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from wingfoot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 41602-09 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:16:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [64.32.179.50]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CC81F446C for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:16:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41F17F4A.7010403@wingfoot.org> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:16:42 -0500 From: "Glenn E. Sieb" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sage-members@sage.org Subject: Re: [SAGE] cabinet vendor recommendations References: <20050121215541.GY18856@darkuncle.net> <39004.66.150.251.135.1106345454.squirrel@mail3.bitpusher.com> In-Reply-To: <39004.66.150.251.135.1106345454.squirrel@mail3.bitpusher.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at wingfoot.org Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 1160 Lines: 29 Michael T. Halligan wrote: >Scott, > > >I've been very happy with the cabinets from WrightLine lately. One of my >customers spoiled me by letting me purchase 6 of their PARAM cabinets, >which are 96" tall, 30" wide, and 40" deep. The base cabinet was $800.28, >and the 19" rail kit (since they are actually 30" wide cabinets) were >$426.82 .. These are 4-post cabinets, but they have equivalents with doors >and walls. > >Having this much space is very nice, you can do a great job with clean >cabling and with air-flow on them. We've got 200 dell servers, and even >have space to use their cable-management arms (which was a first for me). > > > I have to agree.. We originally had purchased Chatsworths from Graybar when I started at Lumeta. They didn't have any floor models, we bought them anyway, they were shipped, and that was it. Done. Enjoy your new racks. Then we bought a Wrightline cabinet. The salesguy showed up the next day to show us how to use the rack, and the various mounting styles. We just bought one here at Cibernet, and same deal--we had a question, he was there that week to show us how to do what we wanted. Best, --Glenn From owner-sage-members@usenix.org Fri Jan 21 22:06:52 2005 Received: from usenix.org (voyager.usenix.org [131.106.3.1]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0M66o8t025364 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:06:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0M66Cn3019380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:06:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with SMTP id j0M666xu019375; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by voyager.usenix.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:03:01 -0800 Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0M62xn3019086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:03:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j0M62x1K019085 for sage-members-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:02:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ace.DELOS.COM (ace.DELOS.COM [192.65.171.163]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0M62vn3019080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:02:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ace.DELOS.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ace.DELOS.COM (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0M62iJI003671 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:02:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kolstad@ace.DELOS.COM) Received: (from kolstad@localhost) by ace.DELOS.COM (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id j0M62i1g003670 for sage-members@usenix.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:02:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0LMZun2011651 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id y7so162054rne for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:35:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:content-type:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:from; b=I7j9RPh9pTVeuPFbnRtMJ0cnMkESb3hgaHSQkIp5odAcT9X+e1WNOGBcNUlzwPJ0joOr7vZCZ4PAkeOP+oeMaQaYwumPOckdR8b3FKAdZV+34vjntDh/YWDMdDO/ApDHrVijsUgeZ5C9/gQVG7XalMkt1E5XmXO+fycz17b9+4M= Received: by 10.38.181.40 with SMTP id d40mr22350rnf; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:35:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.61.6.127? ([63.96.188.88]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 57sm887rnc.2005.01.21.14.35.44; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:35:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <41F183C3.1020200@whatexit.org> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:35:47 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 To: sage-members@sage.org Subject: Re: [SAGE] cabinet vendor recommendations References: <20050121215541.GY18856@darkuncle.net> <39004.66.150.251.135.1106345454.squirrel@mail3.bitpusher.com> <41F17F4A.7010403@wingfoot.org> In-Reply-To: <41F17F4A.7010403@wingfoot.org> From: Tom Reingold Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 1180 Lines: 36 Glenn E. Sieb wrote: > I have to agree.. We originally had purchased Chatsworths from Graybar > when I started at Lumeta. They didn't have any floor models, we bought > them anyway, they were shipped, and that was it. Done. Enjoy your new > racks. > > Then we bought a Wrightline cabinet. The salesguy showed up the next day > to show us how to use the rack, and the various mounting styles. We just > bought one here at Cibernet, and same deal--we had a question, he was > there that week to show us how to do what we wanted. > > Best, > --Glenn A Wrightline salesman once helped me tremendously in my job. He took my requirements back to his office and had someone do a CAD drawing of a proposed layout for my lab. It included an airflow plan throughout the whole room. He also hooked me up with vendors of UPS's and cabling systems. And he was a low pressure salesman. All of this was free, so of course, I gave him my business, and I feel I got my money's worth. We have recently started buying APC racks, and they seem fine. I do like the Dell racks a lot, too. They snap together really well, without a single handtool, such as a screwdriver! Tom From milburn@panix.com Fri Jan 21 14:31:52 2005 Received: from mail3.panix.com (mail3.panix.com [166.84.1.74]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0LMVo7x006923 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:31:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from panix2.panix.com (panix2.panix.com [166.84.1.2]) by mail3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CEE9819C; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (milburn@localhost) by panix2.panix.com (8.11.6p3/8.8.8/PanixN1.1) with ESMTP id j0LMVSM14373; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:31:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:31:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Shane B. Milburn" To: Scott Francis Cc: sage-members@sage.org Subject: Re: [SAGE] cabinet vendor recommendations In-Reply-To: <20050121215541.GY18856@darkuncle.net> Message-ID: References: <20050121215541.GY18856@darkuncle.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Status: RO Content-Length: 2072 Lines: 57 We have been really happy with General Devices. http://www.generaldevices.com/ We have even customized our racks based on how we use them. For instance all copper feeds into the Network cabinets on the right side and all fiber for the uplinks comes in on the left. So we had the tray on the right made wider so that all the copper fits when you have a 6513 stuff full of 6148 cards. The pricing is pretty good too. Once we refined our design they even gave us a part number so all we have to do is call up and order the part number and they'll make the rack according to our specs. There some nice features we have added in over the years like a laptop shelf so you can set you laptop on something and type while you work on a switch. I've used Chatsworth racks as well but I prefer the GD cabinets. cheers, -shane -- Shane B. Milburn Email: milburn@panix.com Sr Security & Network Engineer GPG Key ID: 9DA907DA On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Scott Francis wrote: > -----pgpenvelope processed message----- > > I'm positive this has come up here before, but I can't seem to find it in my > archives, so: > > which vendors are any of you using for cabinets/rackmount enclosures, and > which are you happy with? I'm looking for something full-sized that locks, > with good airflow and (optionally) fans installed to help keep things > flowing. > > If you'd rather respond off-list, I will summarize later. > > thanks, > -- > Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527 > Less and less is done > until non-action is achieved > when nothing is done, nothing is left undone. > -- the Tao of Sysadmin > > -----pgpenvelope information----- > Hash: SHA1 > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (OpenBSD) > > gpg: Signature made Fri Jan 21 16:55:35 2005 EST using DSA key ID 5537F527 > gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found > > pgpenvelope_decrypt: message processed at Fri Jan 21 17:25:02 2005 > > -----end pgpenvelope information----- > From owner-sage-members@usenix.org Thu Jan 27 07:13:42 2005 Received: from usenix.org (voyager.usenix.org [131.106.3.1]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0RFDchw011304 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:13:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RFCsn3003242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with SMTP id j0RFCr34003241; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:12:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by voyager.usenix.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:08:57 -0800 Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RF8un3002979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:08:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j0RF8usw002978 for sage-members-outgoing; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:08:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from bzz.taranis.org (bzz.taranis.org [207.251.100.17]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0RF8sn2002971 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:08:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by bzz.taranis.org (Postfix, from userid 100) id 759C1C185; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:08:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:08:34 -0500 From: Christophe Kalt To: sage-members@sage.org Subject: Re: [SAGE] cabinet vendor recommendations Message-ID: <20050127150834.GB87845@bzz.taranis.org> References: <20050121215541.GY18856@darkuncle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050121215541.GY18856@darkuncle.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Spring: flower X-Message-Flag: Outlook is a highly efficient virus delivery agent. Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Content-Length: 625 Lines: 15 On Jan 21, Scott Francis wrote: | which vendors are any of you using for cabinets/rackmount enclosures, and | which are you happy with? I'm looking for something full-sized that locks, | with good airflow and (optionally) fans installed to help keep things | flowing. I have a number of friends who swear by APW, so much so, that i'm about to buy these for our new datacenter. They're fairly new in the US. http://www.apw.com/media/pdfs/productsServices/productShowcase/imservUS.pdf One really cool thing (again, i hear) are their whizz tight screws which are apparently great if you have to screw them in at some angle.