From owner-sage-members@usenix.org Fri Jan 28 06:41:43 2005 Received: from usenix.org (voyager.usenix.org [131.106.3.1]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0SEffc0017859 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:41:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SEf8n3018595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:41:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with SMTP id j0SEf4e2018587; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:41:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by voyager.usenix.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:37:33 -0800 Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SEbWn3018250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:37:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j0SEbVdI018249 for sage-members-outgoing; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:37:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from eldwist.darkuncle.net (root@eldwist.darkuncle.net [66.33.218.20]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SEbQn3018243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:37:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from eldwist.darkuncle.net (sfrancis@localhost.darkuncle.net [127.0.0.1]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0SEbXbp019899 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:37:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sfrancis@localhost) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j0SEbXaZ028983 for sage-members@sage.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:37:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:37:32 -0800 From: Scott Francis To: sage-members@sage.org Subject: [SAGE] term servers Message-ID: <20050128143732.GQ18856@darkuncle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Old-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: OpenBSD X-PGP-Fingerprint: 7429 F75D D3F5 FA45 C6D7 D25B 59A0 7B8C 5537 F527 X-PGP-Key: http://darkuncle.net/pubkey.asc X-PGP-Notice: encryption subkey 2048g/0CEFEA3C has been revoked - please use 2048R/18A88182 instead (available at above URL) X-What-Happen: Somebody set up us the bomb. Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk Content-Type: application/pgp; format=text; x-action=sign Status: RO Content-Length: 1632 Lines: 42 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Responses on the cabinet thread were very helpful; the only vendors mentioned I'd had prior experience with were Chatsworth and Dell. Summarizing recommendations received on- and off-list, in no particular order: Chatsworth Dell SharkRacks Martin Manufacturing - reseller APC Rittal WrightLine (several folks remarked on exceptionally good service from this vendor) APW GeneralDevices Next infrastructure poll: term server recommendations? I've had quite a bit of prior experience with Cyclades, and have been very happy with their gear for the most part. I'm interested in hearing of any other vendors that are selling comparably-priced gear that's also based on Linux/BSD, and of course that support SSH2 access. 16-port density is probably sufficient (although 24-port would be nice). Off-list responses can be summarized back to the list. thanks all, - -- Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527 Less and less is done until non-action is achieved when nothing is done, nothing is left undone. -- the Tao of Sysadmin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (OpenBSD) iD8DBQFB+k4qWaB7jFU39ScRArobAKCqzMtEK0+v6xWrk0p6u5j9LNsmGACgyrzj 2tmmuZBF9f3u3VMCMElCI8c= =pQVK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brad@stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Jan 28 07:13:08 2005 Received: from vhost109.his.com (vhost109.his.com [216.194.225.101]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0SFD586008818 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:13:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (localhost.his.com [127.0.0.1]) by vhost109.his.com (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0SFCfaa005755; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:12:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brad@stop.mail-abuse.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050128143732.GQ18856@darkuncle.net> References: <20050128143732.GQ18856@darkuncle.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:12:32 +0100 To: Scott Francis From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: [SAGE] term servers Cc: sage-members@sage.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1956 Lines: 45 At 6:37 AM -0800 2005-01-28, Scott Francis wrote: > Next infrastructure poll: term server recommendations? I've had quite a bit > of prior experience with Cyclades, and have been very happy with their gear > for the most part. With regards to the technical side of the Cyclades hardware, I've only heard good things and had good experiences. I've had some really bad problems trying to get them to actually sell me anything, however. They only sell through VARs (at least, over here in Europe), and the exclusive VAR that covers France and Belgium (among other countries) has no interest/ability to sell equipment to anyone who does not have their own business and VAT #. What really got me ticked off at them was the fact that they came to LISA 2002 with hardware in hand, and claimed that you could buy the stuff on the spot. Unfortunately, they lied. I tried to buy a 4-port unit right there, and was happy to give them a check, cash, or credit card. They said that they couldn't actually sell me anything there on the floor (they had only brought one unit of each type as a demo), so they'd ship a unit to me at the hotel the next day (Friday, the last day of the conference). Unfortunately, they discovered that there was some information missing when the sales guy took my credit card details, or a stock problem, or something and couldn't ship that day. After that, they passed me off to their exclusive VAR for Belgium, and I was even more screwed. So, I'd rate their hardware very highly, but their customer and pre-sales service is pretty damn p!$$-poor. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From michael@halligan.org Fri Jan 28 08:59:39 2005 Received: from mail3.bitpusher.com (support.bitpusher.com [64.127.99.30]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0SGxaKR026974 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:59:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail3.bitpusher.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9AC3B8C; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail3.bitpusher.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00527-01; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:59:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <41FA6F5C.6010508@halligan.org> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:59:08 -0800 From: "Michael T. Halligan" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Francis Cc: sage-members@sage.org Subject: Re: [SAGE] term servers References: <20050128143732.GQ18856@darkuncle.net> In-Reply-To: <20050128143732.GQ18856@darkuncle.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at bitpusher.com Status: RO Content-Length: 1970 Lines: 61 Scott, From my very recent experience I have two things to say, avoid the Perle CS9000's, and consider the Lantronix SCS terminal servers. They're very nice. Scott Francis wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Responses on the cabinet thread were very helpful; the only vendors mentioned >I'd had prior experience with were Chatsworth and Dell. > >Summarizing recommendations received on- and off-list, in no particular order: > >Chatsworth >Dell >SharkRacks >Martin Manufacturing - reseller >APC >Rittal >WrightLine (several folks remarked on > exceptionally good service from this vendor) >APW >GeneralDevices > >Next infrastructure poll: term server recommendations? I've had quite a bit >of prior experience with Cyclades, and have been very happy with their gear >for the most part. I'm interested in hearing of any other vendors that are >selling comparably-priced gear that's also based on Linux/BSD, and of course >that support SSH2 access. 16-port density is probably sufficient (although >24-port would be nice). > >Off-list responses can be summarized back to the list. > >thanks all, >- -- > Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527 > Less and less is done > until non-action is achieved > when nothing is done, nothing is left undone. > -- the Tao of Sysadmin >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (OpenBSD) > >iD8DBQFB+k4qWaB7jFU39ScRArobAKCqzMtEK0+v6xWrk0p6u5j9LNsmGACgyrzj >2tmmuZBF9f3u3VMCMElCI8c= >=pQVK >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- ------------------- BitPusher, LLC http://www.bitpusher.com/ 1.888.9PUSHER (415) 724.7998 - Mobile From blayne@puklich.com Fri Jan 28 20:34:42 2005 Received: from beavis.puklich.com (beavis.puklich.com [209.46.80.55]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0T4Yebq019120 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.0.110] (daffy-fxp0.puklich.com [209.46.80.56]) (authenticated bits=0) by beavis.puklich.com (8.12.7/8.12.7/Unsolicited or bulk email is NOT accepted) with ESMTP id j0T4Y7Ia015701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:34:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:34:16 -0600 From: Blayne Puklich Reply-To: Blayne Puklich To: Scott Francis cc: sage-members@sage.org Subject: Re: [SAGE] term servers Message-ID: <31EBD2A8489106FA6A81A846@[172.16.0.110]> In-Reply-To: <20050128143732.GQ18856@darkuncle.net> References: <20050128143732.GQ18856@darkuncle.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2326 Lines: 59 You might want to consider the Logical Solutions console servers (http://www.thinklogical.com). They're not all that bad, and reasonably priced too. From what I understand the company was founded by folks from the old Lightwave company. I've done the Cyclades as well, but these have about the same capabilities and cost me a little bit less. --On Friday, January 28, 2005 6:37 AM -0800 Scott Francis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Responses on the cabinet thread were very helpful; the only vendors > mentioned I'd had prior experience with were Chatsworth and Dell. > > Summarizing recommendations received on- and off-list, in no particular > order: > > Chatsworth > Dell > SharkRacks > Martin Manufacturing - reseller > APC > Rittal > WrightLine (several folks remarked on > exceptionally good service from this vendor) > APW > GeneralDevices > > Next infrastructure poll: term server recommendations? I've had quite a > bit of prior experience with Cyclades, and have been very happy with > their gear for the most part. I'm interested in hearing of any other > vendors that are selling comparably-priced gear that's also based on > Linux/BSD, and of course that support SSH2 access. 16-port density is > probably sufficient (although 24-port would be nice). > > Off-list responses can be summarized back to the list. > > thanks all, > - -- > Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527 > Less and less is done > until non-action is achieved > when nothing is done, nothing is left undone. > -- the Tao of Sysadmin > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (OpenBSD) > > iD8DBQFB+k4qWaB7jFU39ScRArobAKCqzMtEK0+v6xWrk0p6u5j9LNsmGACgyrzj > 2tmmuZBF9f3u3VMCMElCI8c= > =pQVK > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- Blayne Puklich Minneapolis, MN PGP Key ID: 0xC52CA6C1 * mailto:blayne at puklich.com I'd explain it to you, but your brain would explode. From owner-sage-members@usenix.org Mon Jan 31 08:36:11 2005 Received: from usenix.org (voyager.usenix.org [131.106.3.1]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0VGaAsL018639 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:36:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VGZAn3002397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:35:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with SMTP id j0VGZ9Pj002394; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:35:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by voyager.usenix.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:32:48 -0800 Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VGWln3002121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:32:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j0VGWkqC002120 for sage-members-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:32:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from eldwist.darkuncle.net (root@eldwist.darkuncle.net [66.33.218.20]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VGWjn3002115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:32:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from eldwist.darkuncle.net (sfrancis@localhost.darkuncle.net [127.0.0.1]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0VGWq4J020460 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:32:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sfrancis@localhost) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j0VGWqfT025393 for sage-members@sage.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:32:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:32:51 -0800 From: Scott Francis To: sage-members@sage.org Subject: Re: [SAGE] term servers Message-ID: <20050131163251.GY18856@darkuncle.net> References: <20050128143732.GQ18856@darkuncle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Old-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050128143732.GQ18856@darkuncle.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: OpenBSD X-PGP-Fingerprint: 7429 F75D D3F5 FA45 C6D7 D25B 59A0 7B8C 5537 F527 X-PGP-Key: http://darkuncle.net/pubkey.asc X-PGP-Notice: encryption subkey 2048g/0CEFEA3C has been revoked - please use 2048R/18A88182 instead (available at above URL) X-What-Happen: Somebody set up us the bomb. Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk Content-Type: application/pgp; format=text; x-action=sign Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1820 Lines: 42 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 06:37:32AM -0800, darkuncle@darkuncle.net said: [snip] > Next infrastructure poll: term server recommendations? I've had quite a bit > of prior experience with Cyclades, and have been very happy with their gear > for the most part. I'm interested in hearing of any other vendors that are > selling comparably-priced gear that's also based on Linux/BSD, and of course > that support SSH2 access. 16-port density is probably sufficient (although > 24-port would be nice). [snip] Thanks for all the replies on- and off-list; I ended up going with the Logical Solutions SCS 320 boxes (thanks Blayne). Similar features (with some things I actually like better) to Cyclades at a significantly better price. Other suggestions received: Cyclades Lantronix Cisco Access Server 2511-RJ (end of lifed by Cisco?) And probably my favorite suggestion, were I not under a tight deadline with no time for a roll-your-own solution, is to take a standard *nix machine and put a serial card(s) in it and run conserver . This time around, fast+good wins out over cheap+good. (Not having any old hardware lying around in $new_employer's data center also makes recycling problematic.) - -- Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527 Less and less is done until non-action is achieved when nothing is done, nothing is left undone. -- the Tao of Sysadmin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (OpenBSD) iD8DBQFB/l2yWaB7jFU39ScRAoujAKDVx/TK88gsLHsz0PZugzxbcHntFwCfaVKc ZhR4BwdHqO7ud+8cSx11NNc= =mczn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-sage-members@usenix.org Mon Jan 31 09:15:58 2005 Received: from usenix.org (voyager.usenix.org [131.106.3.1]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0VHFwRq022414 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:15:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VHF6n3004623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:15:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with SMTP id j0VHF5lt004617; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by voyager.usenix.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:13:42 -0800 Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VHDfn3004323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:13:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j0VHDfNs004320 for sage-members-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:13:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from eldwist.darkuncle.net (root@eldwist.darkuncle.net [66.33.218.20]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VHDcn3004315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:13:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from eldwist.darkuncle.net (sfrancis@localhost.darkuncle.net [127.0.0.1]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0VHDj0A021795 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:13:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sfrancis@localhost) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j0VHDiUG031666 for sage-members@sage.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:13:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:13:44 -0800 From: Scott Francis To: sage-members@sage.org Subject: Re: [SAGE] term servers Message-ID: <20050131171344.GC18856@darkuncle.net> References: <20050128143732.GQ18856@darkuncle.net> <20050131163251.GY18856@darkuncle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Old-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050131163251.GY18856@darkuncle.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: OpenBSD X-PGP-Fingerprint: 7429 F75D D3F5 FA45 C6D7 D25B 59A0 7B8C 5537 F527 X-PGP-Key: http://darkuncle.net/pubkey.asc X-PGP-Notice: encryption subkey 2048g/0CEFEA3C has been revoked - please use 2048R/18A88182 instead (available at above URL) X-What-Happen: Somebody set up us the bomb. Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk Content-Type: application/pgp; format=text; x-action=sign Status: RO Content-Length: 824 Lines: 24 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 08:32:51AM -0800, darkuncle@darkuncle.net said: [snip] > Other suggestions received: > Cyclades > Lantronix > Cisco Access Server 2511-RJ (end of lifed by Cisco?) and of course Digi , from several folks. - -- Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527 Less and less is done until non-action is achieved when nothing is done, nothing is left undone. -- the Tao of Sysadmin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (OpenBSD) iD8DBQFB/mdHWaB7jFU39ScRAusXAJ9HIvWxd3lCXOVXTk8/SaprgqkueQCgnCoN jC2pl1gaZf+P3fCtkjUrwoA= =i6bU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-sage-members@usenix.org Mon Jan 31 09:55:57 2005 Received: from usenix.org (voyager.usenix.org [131.106.3.1]) by eldwist.darkuncle.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0VHtuPm024940 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:55:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VHtDn3005527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:55:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with SMTP id j0VHtCJQ005523; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by voyager.usenix.org (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:52:04 -0800 Received: from voyager.usenix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VHq2n3005288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:52:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by voyager.usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j0VHq2Ve005287 for sage-members-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:52:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from g2.mental.com (root@entrance.mental.com [192.31.14.10]) by usenix.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0VHpwn3005282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mental.com (root@twen.mi [172.16.0.5]) by g2.mental.com (8.13.0/8.13.0/Lobo-041220) with ESMTP id j0VHpgfC014699 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:51:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from mental.com (lobo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mental.com (8.13.0/8.13.0/Lobo-040825) with ESMTP id j0VHpgUp029567 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:51:42 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: sage-members@sage.org Subject: Re: [SAGE] term servers In-reply-to: Scott Francis's message of Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:32:51 PST <20050131163251.GY18856@darkuncle.net> Organization: mental images GmbH, Berlin, Germany Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:51:42 +0100 Message-ID: <29566.1107193902@mental.com> From: Alexander Lobodzinski Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 710 Lines: 14 () no time for a roll-your-own solution, is to take a standard *nix machine and () put a serial card(s) in it and run conserver . Having an external terminal server is no reason at all not to run conserver! We run conserver to a Cyclades; then you add screen and things start getting really nice - being able to scroll back (or search) to yesterday's stuff, easy switching between consoles, cut-and-paste from one console to another, and sharing all that between several users if you want. It's so nifty that I still have *one* VT220 on my desk and use it every day for the consoles of *all* security-relevant stuff that are separated from the networks themselves. Ciao, Lobo